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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 23 Apr 2015, 18:53

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AdvertBreak wrote:Agreed, because isn't Picture Book their best known album track anyway? (Or at least that's the impression I get)
Not really...in fact outside of Kinks fanatics it was unknown here in the USA until it was used in an HP Photo commercial about 10 years ago. I remember being shocked when I first heard it because it's such a deep album cut that I was probably the only person in New Hampshire who had heard the song prior to that TV ad :lol:
MrMagpie, do you remember when "Everybody's Gonna Be Happy" was also featured in an ad over this past decade? I believe it was for some cholesterol or blood pressure medication ad......
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by Mallard No. 22 » 27 Apr 2015, 06:18

Very difficult to pick a stand-out 'single' from VGPS. Everything is part of the whole.
MrMagpie wrote:I was probably the only person in New Hampshire who had heard the song prior to that TV ad :lol:
Such a lot of older music gains a new appreciation via use in contemporary TV, movies and adverts.

Whilst this can be good, the new audience doesn't know where the song originated, and does not see it in its original context.
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by He's So High » 27 Apr 2015, 18:49

Was there a particular reason Days wasn't on VGPS? It was written around that time, wasn't it?

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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 28 Apr 2015, 06:09

He's So High wrote:Was there a particular reason Days wasn't on VGPS? It was written around that time, wasn't it?

"Days" was actually on earlier versions of "VGPS".....I guess the record label forced them to release it sooner, which probably backfired back then to a certain extent...
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by MrMagpie » 29 Apr 2015, 13:43

Yes, "Days" was on the original 12-track version of the album that was released and quickly withdrawn in Europe. Strange decision, though, as it doesn't fit in with the concept of VGPS and it was also a non-album single MONTHS before the album was released. Ray was right on that decision to pull the album and revamp it before unleashing it onto the world.
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Post by He's So High » 29 Apr 2015, 20:26

^ah right, thanks for the info.

Interested that you don't think it fits in with VGPS though. I would have said its wistfulness made it quite a good fit.

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Post by MrMagpie » 30 Apr 2015, 13:29

I guess thematically it certainly does but it just feels out of place...maybe it's just because I'm so used to hearing the 15-track version of the album without it. It would've been a curious decision to stick a 6-month old standalone single onto the album, too, though...at least in my view :)
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 30 Apr 2015, 15:11

It's overwhelming how the Kinks evolved from a single like "Autumn Almanac" to record an eventual masterpiece such as "VGPS"....But yet again singles like "Wonderboy" and "Plastic Man", makes one scratch their heads....Also, "Starstruck" (I actually love all the aforementioned songs) wasn't the best song to represent "VGPS"....They should have released "Picture Book" in retrospect as an A-side and even "Big Sky"... Those other singles just didn't chart well and represented the band sounding more bland to a certain degree compared to their contemporaries at that particular period.
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by Mallard No. 22 » 03 May 2015, 06:55

Yes, 'Wonderboy' and 'Plastic Man' were not good singles. But I'm surprised 'Victoria' was not a bigger hit in the UK. I assume (like VGPS) its 'retro' subject may have gone against it.

I'm not sure that VGPS needed a single, in the same way that the White Album didn't have one, and e.g. 'Jumping Jack Flash' was not on 'Beggars Banquet'. I think the quaint English/UK-ness of VGPS was to its detriment commercially.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 04 May 2015, 03:28

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Yes, 'Wonderboy' and 'Plastic Man' were not good singles. But I'm surprised 'Victoria' was not a bigger hit in the UK. I assume (like VGPS) its 'retro' subject may have gone against it.

I'm not sure that VGPS needed a single, in the same way that the White Album didn't have one, and e.g. 'Jumping Jack Flash' was not on 'Beggars Banquet'. I think the quaint English/UK-ness of VGPS was to its detriment commercially.

I hate to constantly bring this up, but you haven't...you must listen to the Beach Boys "Friends" album because at that time it received negative reviews for being too innocent of a sound and often has been compared to "VGPS" in that regard...Meaning....both respectively had a "retro" sound that was heavily knocked then since several bands were increasingly going to the mold that Hendrix, Cream, even the Stones, and the Who were...HEAVIER... But now "Friends" like "VGPS" is highly embraced today....

"Victoria" should have been a major hit....I also think "Shangri-La warrants more airplay as well.....
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by Mallard No. 22 » 07 May 2015, 05:34

I note that the Beach Boys chart success virtually fell away in the USA after 'Pet Sounds'.

But in the UK it carried on until 1970 - e.g. 'Do It Again' was number one in the charts, 'Cottonfields' was no. 5.

And I note that 'Pet Sounds' (& subsequent albums) charted higher in UK than they did in USA, although 'Friends' did not make the top ten.

Interesting how there was this disparity between USA and UK success. Indeed most of the mid 60s singles that define the band had low or no chart placings in the UK, other than 'I Get Around'.

Perhaps in their homeland, the problems around Brian Wilson were very potent, given that they wanted to develop into the emerging rock style. But in the UK, Capitol merely released some breezy singles in the characteristic style - this was more than adequate for the passive fan, who happily bought them.
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Mallard No. 22 wrote:I note that the Beach Boys chart success virtually fell away in the USA after 'Pet Sounds'.

But in the UK it carried on until 1970 - e.g. 'Do It Again' was number one in the charts, 'Cottonfields' was no. 5.

And I note that 'Pet Sounds' (& subsequent albums) charted higher in UK than they did in USA, although 'Friends' did not make the top ten.

Interesting how there was this disparity between USA and UK success. Indeed most of the mid 60s singles that define the band had low or no chart placings in the UK, other than 'I Get Around'.

Perhaps in their homeland, the problems around Brian Wilson were very potent, given that they wanted to develop into the emerging rock style. But in the UK, Capitol merely released some breezy singles in the characteristic style - this was more than adequate for the passive fan, who happily bought them.

Most of it was Brian's inability to complete "Smile" at the time (after all that hype and anticipation that mounted), them bowing out of the Monterrey Pop Festival at the last minute, and just they from the general American public thought they sounded too soft and dated. But retrospectively, those releases are more highly regarded today, similar to how several now embrace the Kinks output from that era as well and most deservedly so!
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 07 May 2015, 07:15

It is so often the case that when you hear music retrospectively, it stands up well, regardless of how successful it was at the time.

But at that time, it is subject to difficulties with the artists themselves, set against changing styles by other artists. In turn this affects management/record company interest in dedicating time & money to promotion.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 07 May 2015, 10:37

Mallard No. 22 wrote:It is so often the case that when you hear music retrospectively, it stands up well, regardless of how successful it was at the time.

But at that time, it is subject to difficulties with the artists themselves, set against changing styles by other artists. In turn this affects management/record company interest in dedicating time & money to promotion.

Exactly.... Here's one prime example of how excellent the Beach Boys "Friends" album (released in '68) is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vbclu8ELDE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To me that even captures what the Kinks were doing on "VGPS"......And this is Brian post "Pet Sounds"... to me... he's never lost it whatsoever.....
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by Mallard No. 22 » 12 May 2015, 05:32

In 1968, almost everybody, in every style of music, was doing good work :D

Interesting YT comment on the link (by 'Gregory Frandano') suggesting it was an early example of 'sampling' - listening to the song, this appears to be the case, with the choir cutting in & out very quickly.
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